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remind me how much speed Hawk Wing showed when winning the Lockinge. All a matter of opinion but there is no way George Washington can be discounted for the Derby because he won the Phoenix so easily as Hawk Wing would have albeit less impressively without Guineas winner Rock Of Gibraltar against him. Connections have said he will get 1 mile this year as would be expected of a prospective Derby winner. Interesting season next year with this horse.

Hawk Wing and GW are just not comparable - look at their breeding and look at the way they have been campaigned at 2yo. To start using HW's Lockinge win as a justification for your Derby bet on GW is bizarre to say the least.

I am not advocating anyone to back him for the Derby but I can see him showing a lot more stamina than most seem to expect if given the opportunity. Hawk Wing was not an obvious Derby horse when he ran in the Railway Stakes. We will see if there are no outstanding middle distance horses from the stable as this season he could easily show up as Phoenix Stakes second Oratorio did.

On breeding he should just about get the derby trip as he is stouter bred than the half brother Grandera who was top class at 10f but never showed his best form at 12f.

Has a dosage profile similar to plenty of derby winners. Still looks really green to me and I couldn't see him being beaten this year. Lets hope they change their mind and run him in the Dewhurst. George Washington is not a Derby type. By a miler out of a dam by a 10-furlong horse. Grandera - by Grand Lodge (a similar type to Danehill) - did not manage to stay 12 furlongs, so no reason why GW would.

He may, however, line up if he wins the Guineas just in case, i.e. Dubawi's failed attempt. Backing George Washington now is like backing Rumplestiltskin for the 1000 Guineas, they might run but are unlikely to win. With regards to dosage, didn't dosage suggest Damson would stay a mile and a half? You know you're fighting a losing battle when you start using the dosage index to justify a bet.

George Washington is not more stoutly bred than Grandera. GW is by Danehill, who was better over sprint distances, while Grandera is by Grand Lodge, who just about stayed 10f. Not too difficult to understand.

Besides, they are totally different horses. Grandera didn't even see a racecourse until mid-July and even then he hadn't come to hand. He failed to win until September, by which point George Washington has already won 3 races including a Group 1. Furthermore, Grandera didn't show his best form until he was 4-years-old. Grandera's full-brother, Ampelio, has raced in autumn maidens over a mile, again suggesting he is a backwards type.

The fact that George Washington was out over 5f in May suggests he is much sharper and precocious than his brother and is very much his sire's son. How many recent Derby winners made their debut over 5f in May? Just Generous, and he didn't show his best form until the autumn. GW looks to have very little hope of staying the Derby trip and anyone backing him for it now must be a total MUG, given that we most probably haven't seen the Derby winner at this stage.