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Lance Armstrong

well there is what law would call circumstantal evidence - ferrari,le monds testomony,emma o'reillys testimony,shwarzs testimony etc.....

and then the hard factual evidence that lance failed not one but SIX dope tests

thats x times more evidence than you have for saying EVERYONE dopes

show me one piece of evidence that supports your argument

The fact that lance had cancer means nothing
he is either a cheat or not!
and the cold hard facts so far point to him being a cheat in which there is nothing admirable

maybe i am getting the wrong impression but you seem to be saying you don't care whether he doped or not

it says alot if that is true about your impression of sport that you would rather see people suffocate to death(which is what happens when epo goes wrong even under medical supervision) in the name of "sport" rather than watch clean sport where the best guy wins barring luck

i see nothing to admire in la s achievements if he has doped
i see alot more to admire in someone like Paula Radcliffes achievements in getting to the top of her sport whilst also actively campaigning against drugs and their dangers


The last point i have to make is regarding the argument that it is a conspiracy
lemond was american-he was liked by the french
indurain dominated the tour but was not disliked this much by the french
the truth is the french have not got it in for lance just that they feel his achievements are questionable which i would entirely agree with given the evidence pointed out above
we never heard of former team mates coming out about indurain
.the truth is it is a pretty flimsy reason

the second is the questioning of the test and the lab.

for anyone who doesn't know-The test was conducted by Drs FRANÇOISE LASNE AND JACQUES DE CEAURRIZ in the IOC acredited lab in paris.

the test is based on the premise that the proteins that bind Human(Natural) EPO are different to the Proteins which bind external(Un-natural) epo. (post translational glycosylation)
this is seen by the UCI,WADA,IOC etc as DIRECT evidence of doping and is legally INDEFENSABLE

These two doctors are some of the most respected in their field on the planet and i would believe them ahead of any cyclist any day



Final Furlong you are missing this point: ALL winning riders cheat. always have done, probably always will do. There could be exceptions but there can't be many.
btw your conviction that Paula Radcliffe is clean strikes me as very naive. That sport is also packed with drug cheats and has been for a long time, you seem to think that if someone campaigns against drugs they are clean ?!?!?



Winners always cheat?
is this some sort of excuse?

they win cos they cheated to rob another rider of what is rightfully theirs

EPO is proven to improve athletic performance by ~10% and as anyone in sport will testify that is HUGE, if you have got a rider who has a basic talent but refuses to dope he will never be able to compete

not all athletes cheat-there is not on single piece of proof to support this

why don't we say all football players are dope cheats cos ferdinand forgot to take a dope test
(Stupid logic i think we will all agree).just cos lance tests positive doesn't mean they all do it but it also doesn't mean he is the only one who does it,which is why i am in full support for the full disclosure of those who failed dope tests in 98/99 and the introduction of retroactive testing

i can understand your opinion on p radcliffe but alot of her physiological stats support her performance(Unlike lance) and her support (Beyond the ordinary) for anti doping
Does it prove she is innocent?
NO i would agree with you but it is all the more reason to become zero tolerant of doping
given that true , clean winners are being unfairly questioned